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Mr. William C. Taylor called the Council meeting to order at
9:05 a.m. at the Washington, D.C. Electricians JATC, I.B.E.W.
Local No. 26, 4371 Parliament Place, Suite A, Lanham, Maryland
20706 and welcomed all Council members, staff and guests in
attendance. Mr. Charles Graham, Business Manager for I.B.E.W.
Local No. 26, also welcomed the meeting to the JATC's training
Mr. William Taylor introduced Ms. Deyanira C. Alcantara and welcomed her to
the Council. Ms. Alcantara noted that she is a Master Electrician and had had
her own business for in Texas for eight years before coming to Maryland where
she now serves as the Director of Apprenticeship and Workforce Development for
I.E.C. Chesapeake, Inc.
William C. Taylor - Chairperson Public Representative
James A. Williams, Sr. - Public Representative
Larry R. Greenhill, Sr. - Employee Representative
Michael J. McNelly - Employee Representative
David W. Norfolk - Employee Representative
Rosie L.D. Pointer - Employee Representative
Michelle L. Butt - Employer Representative
Christopher F. Kelly, Sr.- Employer Representative
George Maloney - Employer Representative
Grant Shmelzer - Employer Representative
Robert H. Laudeman - USDL/OA Ex Officio Consultant to the
Katharine M. Oliver - MSDE Ex Officio Consultant to the Council
Deyanira C. Alcantara - Consultant to the Council
J. Ronald DeJuliis - Commissioner of Labor and Industry, DLLR
C. Edward Poarch II - MATP
Kelton Addison - MATP
Alfred M. FitzSimons - MATP
Kevin Johnson - MATP
Paula M. Kuessner - MATP
Karl J. Matzdorf - MATP
William W. Saxman - MATP
John P. Taylor - MATP
Michael L. Alexander - Baltimore City Joint Apprenticeship Committee
Larry A. Barker - Road Sprinkler Fitters Local Union 669
Dr. Thomas Barrett - Joint Carpentry Apprenticeship Committee
of Washington, D.C. and Vicinity
Romina Byrd - Miller and Long
Brian S. Cavey - Heat and Frost Insulators and Allied Workers
Local No. 24 JAC
Kevin M. Donohue - Mid-Atlantic Regional Council of Carpenters
Angelica Faulkner - Associated Builders and Contractors, Inc.,
P.J. Goel - Goel Services, Inc.
Charles E. Graham - I.B.E.W. Local No. 26
Timothy T. Haley - Washington, D.C. Joint Plumbing Apprenticeship
David Herman - Kinsley Construction, Inc.
Robert E. Humbertson - Bricklayers and Allied Craftworkers,
Lisa D. Johnson - Associated Builders and Contractors, Inc.,
Metropolitan Washington Chapter
Charles W. Ketner - Road Sprinkler Fitters Local Union 669 JATC
Norbert R. Klussman - Sheet Metal Workers Local No. 100 JATC,
Washington, D.C. Area
Jonathan R. Krasnoff - DLLR/OAG
Carrie E. Liller - Associated Builders and Contractors, Inc.,
Metropolitan Washington Chapter
David A. McCord - Washington, D.C. Electricians JATC, I.B.E.W.
Local No. 26
David L. McNair - Ironworkers Local No. 5 JATC
Jason C. Roberts - Associated Builders and Contractors, Inc.,
Metropolitan Washington Chapter
Hugh Riddell - Washington, D.C. Joint Plumbing Apprenticeship
Deb Rohrbaugh - Kinsley Construction, Inc.
Kenneth M. Sellers - Plumbers and Pipefitters U.A. Local No.
David Smarte - Delaware Elevator
Jimmy Yuhase - Ironworkers Local No. 5 JATC
Commissioner DeJuliis thanked everyone in attendance for what
they do on behalf of apprenticeship. He noted that Maryland
had had over 10,000 apprentices prior to the downturn in the
economy and stated he hoped to go back over that level as the
economy improves and work becomes available.
The Commissioner reminded Council members of the work that
had been done at the Victor Cullen Center, a facility for juveniles,
where there had been training provided in the building and construction
trades. That had led to some of the participants going into
apprenticeship programs and gainful employment upon leaving
that facility. Commissioner DeJuliis went on to note that the
Division of Labor and Industry had held discussions with the
Secretary of Corrections to start a training program in demolition
where inmates would receive training in the building and construction
trades while working to demolish closed correctional facilities.
He stated that it was the Secretary of Correction's concept
to select inmates with an aptitude for construction and who
are close to their release dates.
Commissioner DeJuliis provided the Council with an update
on the Division of Labor and Industry's Employment Rights and
Safety Forum that had been held at Towson University in January.
He noted that about 600 people had attended the forum. He went
on to state that next year's forum would be expanded to a full
day and cover more programs and have more speakers.
Council members were informed that the Commissioner's Construction
Roundtable would resume after the General Assembly session ends.
The Commissioner noted that it would probably be held the last
Thursday in April and welcomed those interested to attend.
I. The first order of business was the approval of the minutes of the
November 8, 2011 and January 10, 2012 Council meetings which
were approved as submitted.
Mr. Shmelzer stated that both he and Mr. Greenhill had had
some concerns about a further discussion of Affirmative Action
Plans and apprentice selection procedures as had been noted
in the minutes of the January 10, 2012 Council meeting. Mr.
William Taylor replied that Mr. John Taylor had informed him
that Mr. Krasnoff would be leading that discussion later in
Mr. William Taylor stated that updated information had been
received for Kinsley Construction, Inc. Mr. John Taylor reminded
Council members that at the January 10, 2012 meeting, they had
approved the Standards of Apprenticeship for Kinsley Construction,
Inc. pending modifications to the apprentice selection procedure
and a staff review of a proposed classroom facility in Timonium,
Maryland. Mr. FitzSimons stated that he had reviewed the facility
in Timonium that they would be using to conduct related instruction
classes in Maryland. He also stated that the Council's concerns
about the minimum qualifications and the apprenticeship applicant
rating system had been addressed. Mr. David Herman of Kinsley
Construction, Inc. explained to Council members the numerical
ranking system that they would be using.
A motion to accept the modifications that the Council had
requested at the January 10, 2012 Council meeting was made by
Mr. McNelly, seconded by Mr. Shmelzer and unanimously approved.
II. NEW BUSINESS
A. PROGRAM REVISIONS:
1. Associated Builders and Contractors, Inc. Chesapeake Shores
Chapter (Karl J. Matzdorf) - Revision to Standards of Apprenticeship
to register additional methods of delivery of related instruction
in the form of home study and NCCER's Contren Connect.
Mr. Shmelzer inquired as to how the additional methods of
delivery of related instruction would be implemented. Ms. Faulkner
replied that apprentices would still have to attend related
instruction classes one night per week as well as the online
instruction. She added that all tests and exams would take place
in the classroom under the supervision of an instructor. She
also noted that during the time that apprentices would be doing
online instruction, an instructor would also be online to answer
any questions that apprentices might have.
In response to a question from Ms. Pointer, Ms. Faulkner stated
that any apprentice who did not have access to a computer at
home could log onto the web site and do the instruction from
any computer that they did have access to.
A motion to approve this revision with the understanding that
at least fifty percent (50%) of the related instruction hours
be physically in the classroom was made by Mr. McNelly, seconded
by Mr. Maloney and approved with one abstention.
2. Sheet Metal Workers Local No. 100 JATC, Washington, D.C.
Area (Karl J. Matzdorf) - Revision to section 5 of Standards
of Apprenticeship (Term of Apprenticeship), section 7 (Suggested
Schedule of Work Processes for Sheet Metal Apprentice), section
8 (Related Instruction) and a new Attachment No. 4 - Wage Scale
for Apprentices in Four Year and Five Year Programs.
Mr. Klussman explained to Council members that technological
changes in the industry have necessitated additional training
requirements. He stated that the 5-year program would be phased
in with new incoming apprentices. Apprentices already in the
apprenticeship program would continue on in the 4-year program.
A motion to approve this revision was made by Mr. Kelly, seconded
by Ms. Pointer and unanimously approved.
3 . Goel Services, Inc. (John P. Taylor) - Revision to Appendix
III of Standards of Apprenticeship - Related Instruction Specific
Mr. P.J. Goel informed Council members that the content of
their related instruction curriculum has not been changed. Rather,
they had found that it would be more efficient to have some
of the classes that they had intended to do in-house be provided
by outside vendors. He went on to explain that some of those
classes would be conducted offsite and in 40 hour blocks. He
also explained what arrangements would be made for apprentices
to get to those classes.
A motion to approve this revision was made by Mr. Greenhill,
seconded by Mr. Williams and approved with two abstentions.
B. PROGRAM REVIEWS (Five (5) or More Apprentices):
1. Associated Builders and Contractors, Inc., Baltimore Metropolitan
Chapter (Karl J. Matzdorf).
Employer Representative Michelle L. Butt recused herself from
this item of Council business.
Mr. Matzdorf noted that he had found that there was under-
utilization of women in this apprenticeship program. He also
informed Council members that while apprentices are selected
from the sponsor's eligibility list, participating employers
also send employees that they have selected to be registered
in the apprenticeship program.
Mr. Greenhill asked about what happens to people on the eligibility
list. Ms. Butt responded that they stay on the eligibility list
until they request to be removed from it. If they find a contractor
while waiting, they will be registered as an apprentice.
Mr. Greenhill also inquired about the graduation rate for
minorities. Ms. Butt replied that she would like to see it improve
but made note of both current economic conditions as well as
problems with getting plumbing apprentices to pass the licensing
examination for Plumbers.
A motion to accept this review, with staff recommendations,
was made by Mr. Williams, seconded by Mr. Shmelzer and unanimously
2. Plumbers and Pipefitters U.A. Local No. 782 JATC (Karl
Mr. Matzdorf stated that there was underutilization of both
minorities and women in the apprenticeship program despite documented
outreach and recruitment efforts.
Mr. Krasnoff explained the difference between registered apprenticeship
and the apprentice license issued by the Maryland Board of Plumbing
in the Division of Occupational and Professional Licensing.
He added that an individual cannot get a journey plumbing license
without passing an examination. He observed that he understood
from the Board that there are people who are "lifetime
apprentices" because they do not take or cannot pass the
licensing examination. He also added that both he and Mr. Poarch
had attended the last meeting of the Maryland Board of Heating,
Ventilation, Air Conditioning and Refrigeration Contractors
to discuss a similar situation for that occupation.
Mr. McNelly asked whether someone from the Maryland Board
of Plumbing could come before the Council to address the issue.
He also asked that Mr. Laudeman coordinate advising U.S. Department
of Labor personnel of the difference between "licensed
apprentices" and "registered apprentices" as
it applies to federal prevailing wage projects in the State
Mr. Greenhill asked Mr. Sellers about the number of contractors.
Mr. Sellers replied that the number of signatory contractors
varies as out-of-town contractors need to become signatory for
the time that they are working in Local No. 782's jurisdiction.
A motion to accept this review, with staff recommendations,
was made by Mr. Greenhill, seconded by Mr. McNelly and unanimously
C. PROGRAM REVIEWS (Fewer Than Five (5) Apprentices):
1. The following program reviews were performed and the programs
were found to be conducted in a satisfactory manner. [No Council
a. Eckhardt Funeral Chapel (Karl J. Matzdorf) - Occupation
b. Eline Funeral Home (Karl J. Matzdorf) - Occupation of Mortician.
c. Matthews & Pierce Masonry, Inc. (Karl J. Matzdorf)
- Occupation of Bricklayer.
d. Primo Electric Company (IES Commercial, Inc.) (Karl J.
Matzdorf) - Occupation of Electrician.
2. The following program reviews were performed and deficiencies
were found in the manner in which the programs were being conducted.
Staff has provided technical assistance to the sponsors and
the sponsors were sent letters informing them that follow-up
reviews would be conducted or the sponsors have submitted requests
for voluntary cancellation of Standards of Apprenticeship. [No
Council Action Required]:
a. Frederick Manufacturing Division/SFA, Inc. (Karl J. Matzdorf)
- Occupation of Machinist.
b. Larry Ay, Inc. (Karl J. Matzdorf) - Occupation of Plumber.
c. Painting and Decorating Contractors of America, Baltimore
Chapter (Karl J. Matzdorf) - Occupation of Painter.
D. VOLUNTARY REQUESTS FOR CANCELLATION OF STANDARDS OF APPRENTICESHIP:
1. Associated Builders and Contractors, Inc., Eastern Shore
Chapter effective July 25, 2011, Eckhardt Funeral Chapel effective
December 20, 2011, Eline Funeral Home effective January 10,
2012, IES Commercial, Inc. (formerly Primo Electric Company)
effective January 1, 2012, Larry Ay, Inc. effective December
19, 2011, Painting and Decorating Contractors of America, Baltimore
Chapter effective December 21, 2011 and Soltera Defense Solutions,
Inc. (formerly Frederick Manufacturing Division/SFA, Inc. effective
December 14, 2011.
A motion to approve the voluntary requests for cancellation
of Standards of Apprenticeship for Associated Builders and Contractors,
Inc., Eastern Shore Chapter, Eckhardt Funeral Chapel, Eline
Funeral Home, IES Commercial, Inc. (formerly Primo Electric
Company), Larry Ay, Inc., Painting and Decorating Contractors
of America, Baltimore Chapter, and Soltera Defense Solutions,
Inc. (formerly Frederick Manufacturing Division/SFA, Inc. as
per the dates requested was made by Mr. Greenhill, seconded
by Mr. McNelly and unanimously approved.
E. OTHER BUSINESS:
1. Associated Builders and Contractors, Inc., Chesapeake Shores
Chapter (Karl J. Matzdorf) - Request to register an apprentice
Electrician with credit for on-the-job training and/or related
instruction beyond the fifty percent (50%) level due to delayed
A motion to approve this request was made by Mr. Greenhill,
seconded by Mr. Maloney and unanimously approved.
2. Discussion of apprentice selection procedures (Jonathan
Mr. Krasnoff distributed copies of the Equal Employment Opportunity
in Apprenticeship and Training Regulations to the members of
the Council. He stated that sponsors are required to adopt one
of the four selection methods stated the regulations which are
selection in rank order from a pool of eligible applicants,
random selection from a pool of eligible applicants, selection
from a pool if current employees in accordance with provisions
of a collective bargaining agreement, if one exists or by a
company's established promotion policy or an alternative selection
method. He went on to explain a sponsor's obligations under
each of the four selection methods. In addition, he stated that
a sponsor using an alternative selection method could be required
to adopt a different selection method if they were not meeting
their Affirmative Action goals and timetables.
Mr. Shmelzer inquired about what is being done or will be
done about those sponsors identified at the previous Council
meeting as not following their approved selection procedures.
Mr. John Taylor asked Mr. Krasnoff if the requirements of
an alternative selection method would be flexible enough to
cover participating employers sending their existing employees
to the sponsor to be registered provided that the sponsor was
meeting its goals and timetables. Mr. Krasnoff responded that
that would need to be considered by the Council on a case by
A motion to give direction to Mr. Krasnoff and staff to meet
with those sponsors whose program reviews indicated that they
were not following their presently approved selection procedures
was made by Mr. McNelly, seconded by Mr. Shmelzer and unanimously
Mr. John Taylor asked Mr. Laudeman when the U.S. Department
of Labor would be putting a proposed revised Part 30 of Title
29 of the Code of Federal Regulations out for public comment
and if there would be any differences in apprentice selection
methods in the proposed revised 29CFR30. Mr. Laudeman replied
that he did not have an answer to that question as he had not
yet seen the proposed revised 29CFR30.
3. Report from the Regulations Subcommittee.
Mr. Krasnoff informed the Council that the regulations subcommittee
had met in February to review the letter that had been sent
by Mr. John Ladd, Administrator of DOL's Office of Apprenticeship,
to Commissioner DeJuliis outlining the status of Maryland's
application for continued recognition as a state apprenticeship
registration agency for federal purposes. The subcommittee had
developed a draft of a response to Mr. Ladd's letter and that
letter had been sent to Mr. Ladd by the Commissioner on February
24, 2012. Copies of that letter had been sent to the members
of the Council and Mr. Krasnoff provided the full Council with
an overview of that letter.
Mr. Krasnoff stated that some the changes to Maryland's proposed
revised Apprenticeship and Training regulations being requested
by DOL's Office of Apprenticeship were relatively minor and
could easily be made. Other changes would require additional
work on the part of the regulations subcommittee. If changes
are required to Maryland's apprenticeship statute, those changes
would not be able to go before the General Assembly until the
2013 legislative session. Mr. Krasnoff recommended another meeting
of the regulations subcommittee prior to the May 8, 2012 Council
meeting to develop a draft of the minor changes that he could
present to the Council for its review at the May meeting.
Mr. Greenhill made the Council aware a a bill before the current
General Assembly session to establish a taskforce to do a study
There being no further business to come before the Council,
the meeting of the Maryland Apprenticeship and Training Council
was adjourned at 10:55 a.m.
C. Edward Poarch II
Maryland Apprenticeship and Training Council